[bat2000]

I've just won 5 Easter Smurfs to add to the 4 Easter Smurfs I already own and decided to check out how many more I needed. Anyone know why the colour variation of

Smurfette with Chick
Smurf With Egg
Painting Egg
Baby In Egg

have different numbers and are not considered as colour variation?

[Tojo]

Hi,

the 1st wave of Easter smurfs was released in 1983/84 I believe -
20489, 20490, 20491, 20492, 20496, 20497

The second wave in 1996 I believe -
20511 - 20516

They have different colours & there are also fakes of some of them of which you need to beware.

I use Dyar's website as a good reference:-
http://www.sgtpapas.com/EasterSmurfsMenuPage.html

I hope that that is of help to you.

[Tintin]

Hi

I agree with Tojo.
Don't believe they have different munbers in the dsk........

Tintin

[André]

This is a funny story with the articlenumbers. There is more numbers used.

Tojo is correct with the articlenumbers used.

But I thought it could be funny to add this information.

First it was sold as seasonalfigurines with number 20832.

Then in 1985 Maia Borges used articlenumbers 20830-20833.

In the Schleichbook from 1986 we get the articlenumbers most collectors use. 20489-20492 and 20496-20497.

In 1996 they changed the numbers when changing colours. They did the same thing with the buildings, cottages etc with new colours.

[Tintin]

Hi Andre

This is new for me to...........
Never to old to learn !!

Tintin

[André]

It actually says this in the DSK, just like with the buildings.

So 2 articlenumbers used on 4 of them, with new colours.

Maia Borges actually used other articlenumbers on the Christmassmurfs also. From 20801 to 20815. A few more than the ones with cords that Schleich used numbers 51901-51912 for. These numbers were only used for Christmassmurfs with cords. You could buy them in displaybox with number 51900 also.

So maybe 20200, 20201 and 20208 should have different numbers with cords??

And if others were sold with cords they probably had different numbers!

[André]

I don´t know exactly when the christmas ones with cords and made in China CE were made?? Have to check that.

20124, 20153, 20201 ??

[Tojo]

This information is invaluable to collectors, especially novices. I remember when I first started collecting that I was totally confused by the article numbers in general especially as there is a gap in the 1st series. It was only when I saw the checklist at Mushroom Village that I figured out why there was a gap...

That's what makes this forum so cool. Thanks go to André in particular for delving ever deeper into the mysteries of Schleich & Bully

[André]

Thanks Tojo,

it is good that we all can help eachother!!

I want to show this picture of 20208 with eyelet for the cord.

I am almost 100% sure this is a genuine variation and that it was sold as a decoration. As you see the eyelet is the same type as the other ones and I think it would be very very difficult to add this after the paintjob was done without any trace whatsoever.

So I think just like in the Maia Borges catalogue from 1985, that they also sold 20200, 20201 and 20208 as Christmasdecorations with eyelet and cord. Portugalmarkings on those ones off course!!

So maia Borges could have sold 15 Christmasdecorationsmurfs in 1985 with eyelet and cord.

[André]

Do anyone have a markingpicture of the 20124 China-made with cord? I only have the one without cord. The CE marking is intresting to see.

[Tintin]

Hi Andre

I did my best, not the best pictures but.............

And did you know that there are smurfs without cord from the models 51904 51905 51906 51910 and 51911 ??

Tintin

[André]

Thanks Frank,

the one I have have a large CE. But the one you have goes well with the other CE-marked made in China christmas smurfs with cords. Smaller CE and probably made around 1994-1996???

I do not know exactly which of the cordsmurfs were sold without eyelet also?? Do you think all were sold like that or only the 5 you mentioned???

[Tintin]

Hi Andre

Maybe there all without cord, but the ones i mentioned are in my collection

I just looked in my collection, there is another one with a big CE ( CE between his legs and China on his bag ) but i also got one without cord that has the same markings as the one i showed on the pictures.

Tintin

[Smurfysmurf]

I have to admit something....I never knew those Christmas smurfs with cords are genuine....how could I have missed that?

I will have to look for those...if anybody has any doubles, or knows where to get them, please let me know

[André]

I have to admit something....I never knew those Christmas smurfs with cords are genuine....how could I have missed that?

I will have to look for those...if anybody has any doubles, or knows where to get them, please let me know

I am not surprised if many collectors think they are fakes! I also think they look a bit odd. Actually also the older christmas and eastersmurfs look strange. they are a bit too big compared to the other figurines.

But I would say they are genuine. For example the christmas carol smurf has blocked hongkong and put China over it instead. It must be real serious fakers who do such job when making a fake???

I only have 5 of the made in China christmas decoration smurfs( top 5 on the picture). Frank showed one I don´t have and the other one is 20201 and you can see that on for example Christys or Dyars sites.

Someone told me that the CE ones are pretty hard to find, but I have not checked so much for the 2, I am missing.

Many of these can also be found with portugal Ce.

But I only think there are only 7 made in China decorations. But I could be wrong??? Maybe Frank or someone else knows this??

[André]

One other thing regarding the DSK. They put a 5 in front of the numbers on the eastersmurfs. Like 5.20511. I don´t think that is correct. The numbers are just like they use to be, ( 5 digits), 20511 to 20516. 20500-20506 was used for the historicalsmurfs. And that is why Hippie got number 20517. I don´t think numbers 20507 to 20510 is taken, but I assume they jumped straight to 20517 instead of jumping twice??

Maybe someone put the 5 in front to point out that they were seasonal figurines???

So only the christmas one starts with number 5 on these, but as said this was because they were sold with cords. Schleich used numbers 51900, 51950 and 51952 for those sets with displays.

They started with this in 1983 in the german catalogue, but I think some were sold before in the US?? Maybe as said before in the 1982 fall catalogue which I have never seen?? Or sold in some other way in the US???

[André]

I think the answers are in the SCCI letters for the christmas ones.

It seems they started with the made in China on all eastersmurfs in 1993.

[André]

I have to restart reading the SCCI letters again I think. Now when I read them I find a lot more information!!

I was reading about the schleichsmurfs sold by Irwin. Basicly the same as I thought. But it says there as they show on poster that 6 supers were sold on these cards. all on the backside and also papa in rockingchair. So all those Maureen has on her website. Also it says that the cards also can have other figurines than the 20 normals shown on the back of the cards. All are marked China though!

[Smurfysmurf]

I think those six supersmurfs are the only ones sold on the Irwin cards...I've never seen any others and I have searched for more

But there are countless of the normal pvcs to be found on the Irwin cards

In regards to the Christmas smurfs with cords...I had seen them in the catalog..just never realized that the "normal" christmas smurfs were also officially released with cords. I knew that the larger ones are considered ornaments but are also sold without cords.


and I never knew until today that some are available with the China Markings...so far I have only seen them with the HongKong or Portugal marking

[André]

It could be that the numbers used in the Maia Borges catalogue was used for the 15 Christmas smurfs sold without cords also??? Meaning all ornaments was also sold without cords???

One other thing with the irwins. It says they were sold loose also with a tag instead marked made in China and the smurfs logo. So basicly I think only smurfs made in China was sold by Irwin.

A funny thing also is that I thought I did not have the Azrael with painted fur, but actually I do since he is on one of my cards!