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Postby Tommo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:11 am
Hi All,
what is the general opinion of how rare some colour variations which appear in the early 1980's Schleich catalogues are?
e.g. Fisherman with red/white float, Carnival with red/green lantern, Scotsman with brown pipes on bagpipes, etc... and how long would they have been painted like this for? I bought the Cowboy Violin with the dark brown hat around 7-8 years ago when I started collecting, I didn't pay much for it, just thought it was another colour variation like the others, and didn't think much about it until I started looking through the catalogues about a year ago and saw it in there, then realising that I hadn't seen it in anyone else's collections. I've just bought the Carnival with green/red lantern and hope it is genuine, and presume that it is as I've got it from Bernd. Arno, how rare is your Nurse with all white shoes? Martin, you must have had a lot of these? I see Christy has quite a few on her website. How often should we see these variations come up for sale? Which smurfs would you compare these to in terms of varity?
Cheers,
Tommo
Postby The Smurf Collector » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:36 am
Interesting topic Tommo.

I believe these kind of variations exist, it is just a pity there are some rogue sellers out there who are taking advantage of their rarity by adding their own paintwork.
Keep Smurfin

Kath B

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Postby Tommo » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:59 am
I agree Kath. Bernd has got 2, Scotsman with different colour bagpipes, and fisherman with white/red float, on ebay at the moment. The whites look discoloured otherwise I would consider bidding. But if they are genuine, which I'm sure they are, then they show things you cannot see on the catalogue picture. The ends of the brown pipes on the Scotsman are painted white. Christy, does your Scotsman with brown pipes have white tips to the pipes?
Many thanks,
Tommo
Postby Arno » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:06 pm
Hi,
I know that Bernd is considered here as a trustful reference but, for myself, I would say that some of his particular rare smurfs, especially colored variations, could rather be some original Schleich painter's smurfs than original Schleich prototypes... Carnival and Scot are so easily fakable.
The nurse I could get was inside a big lot of smurfs, sold by a seller who knows nothing about smurfs ; I have never seen her anywherelse.
I think that all these smurfs pictured in the catalogs exist, produced in small quantities, but which are truly original, that is the question !
Postby Tommo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:17 am
Hi Arno,
yes, I should think it is going to be very difficult to tell if they are repaints or not and will be very easy to fake. There are very few sellers I would trust to buy them from, and even with the ones I do trust there will be a slight nagging feeling in the back of my mind. Unless they were bought at the time of release it will be difficult to be 100% unless maybe from someone who is a long term collector who is selling their collection? :-? Bernd has mentioned in his auction for the Scot and Fisherman that these were Schleich's first variations of the ones from Bully. They seem to be mainly the last ones that Bully produced in late 1979. I have a feeling that Schleich thought it was a good idea to paint them this way at first and then with the extra time and money needed decided it was a bad idea when trying to keep up with demand. The Hong Kong Carnival with red/green lantern I would be very skeptical about as this would have been several years after the W.Germany ones. The Carnival one Ihave from my childhood, so bought late 70's/early 80's, has the waxy orange lantern with mustard dot marking so not sure where these early colour variations would have been released? :?
Yes, I agree that with a lot of the colour variations from Bernd that they will be Schleich painters' own variations, some of them I can see as being maybe test colour versions, as with the Ice skater who's colours were reversed; yellow scarf, red gloves, which makes me think of the Surfer prototype and Martin's Carnival variation. I personally don't mind these kind of paint variations as they would have been painted by those working at the factory, with Schleich paints, at the time they were produced, and so have an authenticity about them. Repaints are a different matter :angry:
Cheers,
Tommo
Postby The Smurf Collector » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:46 am
I would like to think that Schleich has records of the paint colours they have tried and used for the smurfs. They may never release this information but I do believe records actually exist.

Perhaps with the smurfs celebrating 60 years they may release a book, that documents all of this.
Keep Smurfin

Kath B

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Postby Tommo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:05 am
Hi Kath,
I'm not sure if they do. I seem to remember that the records that Schleich keep are few, or maybe that they are unwilling to release them. I think it's the first one. I think there was a discussion on it as a way of telling which colour variations Schleich officially released, but I think the response from them was that they don't have records on them? :-?
Many thanks,
Tommo
Postby Arno » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:18 pm
Tommo, I am just looking at Bernd's Scot : come on, the white spots are so white, you can't believe it is a genuine one. For myself, I don't believe it is.
Postby Tommo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:25 am
Hi Arno, I presume the white spots are painted. I always compare the whites of the hats, etc... to whites of the eyes when buying on eBay as the eyes are painted and generally don’t discolour unless from nicotine, so I can understand why the white on the pipe ends are so white. Whether it’s genuine or not I wouldn’t like to say. That was one of my initial questions: how many of these paint variations would have been made so how likely are they to appear for sale? This is the first one I’ve seen since I started collecting,
Cheers, Tommo
Postby The Smurf Collector » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:50 am
What I will be curious to see if any of those colour variations appear on eBay over the next few months.

Also a great tip about comparing the whites, especially when loooking at pictures online.
Keep Smurfin

Kath B

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Postby Tommo » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:41 am
Yup, I find it so frustrating Kath when something looks great and then you receive it and the whites are discoloured. :banghead: The worse ones I find are the Hong Kong ones. The whites a lot of the time seem slightly greyed and off white which is why I now compare them to they eyes. Other times the photos are over exposed so I sometimes request one taken in natural light.
Tommo
Postby Arno » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:37 pm
Well, in fact, Bernd has already sold a Scot like this one. I have saved the pictures in january 2016... Same markings but different smurf.
On this one, the white spots are so bright : yes, I know it is painted in white, but it looked more natural on the one sold in 2016 !
You know, the most important is to be conviced it is genuine, not really that it is genuine 8-)
I think there has been smurfs painted as the ones pictured in the catalogs, but how many ? I am afraid we will never know.
Postby Tommo » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:15 am
Hi Arno,
yup, that's the thing, being convinced that they are genuine, especially if you've paid alot of money for them :) That's one of the reasons I rarely buy rare colour variations... as well the mad prices they go for :) Marking variations don't seem to be that much of a selling point for a lot of collectors/sellers so you can generally get them for a sensible price and at least know they are genuine. :D I missed that Scot from Jan 2016! Can you remember how much it went for?
Cheers, Tommo
Postby Arno » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:43 pm
Sorry, I only saved the pictures ; can't remember the price.
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