[bundleofkent]

Hi Simon

since you did so well with the Werder Bremen topic I have decided to give you another mission!!!

In the DSK the "Herta Berlin" schlumpfe is shown as having light blue top and shorts. However I have never ever seen the H Berlin emblem/flag.

A friend has since told me that this smurf is in fact an older/different football kit for "1860 Munchen"

I believe that there are slightly different kits for Bayern Munchen and Hamburg in the Bundesligaschlumpfe.

Can you look into this? Is it true that 1860 had a different coloured kit which is light blue?????

Many many thanks Detective X

Martin

[Tojo]

Hi Martin,

here's a quite good link showing both the BSC kit (at the top) & 1860 München (at the bottom) along with their logos:-

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h ... a%3DN&um=1

As you can see, both clubs wear blue. I don't know anything about older kits though. I couldn't find any pictures of them.


Tojo

[Guest]

One hell of a question Martin

I hope Simon can find something out for ya, there's nothing like getting to the bottom of something

Here's the Hertha website which shows the flag and emblem... http://www.herthabsc.de/

[Guest]

Martin, take a look at this.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSV_1860_M ... _and_1980s


A blue and white home kit

[Simon X]

Hi Martin,

I think, the problem with the kit (What is right in English? Jersey, kit or tricot? ) colours is that they could have changed since 1980...I will look if I can find out something about the older jerseys, but I think, that will be difficult...

BUT in the KSM "Comicfiguren" catalogue 2000/2001 you can read the following on page 90:

Hinweis zu 13: diese Figur gibt es auch mit den "alten" 1860-er Trikotfarben - hellblaues Trikot mit weißem, Kragen, weiße Hose und hellblaue Stulpen.

That means:

Addition to nr. 13 (1860 München): this figure is also existing with the "old" 1860-kit colours - light blue tricot with white collar, white trousers and light blue gaiters/cuffs.

So according to that catalogue (it doesn't list a Hertha BSC Berlin smurf) there are two 1860 München smurfs outside.
Maybe that means that the Bundesliga smurfs are only of the seasons 1980/81 and 1981/82.

I hope, I was able to help with an other Bundesliga question.

[Simon X]

I just found a bit about the 1860-kits in 1980/81:

http://www.tsv1860.de/de/archiv/saisonr ... _kader.php

You can see a black-white photography and below Rudi Völler with his kit...And it really looks like the one of the "Hertha BSC" Bundesliga smurf in the DSK...

[Guest]

Yes Simon maybe you were right...

Herta BSC dark blue trikot 1982/1983


TSV 1860 München ligh blue trikot 1981/1982


BTW: What I noticed is the fact that the white stripe on the shoulder is not visible in the DSK but at my one has this white stripe on the shoulder.

[bundleofkent]

Outstanding reply thanks a million.

So are we all in agreement then : the Herta Berlin is in fact 1860 Munchen???

[Rachel]

Fabulous topic guys but again..........."woosh" straight over my head. :beaker:

[Guest]

Thats cos you're a rugby girl at heart Rachel

Excellent work Simon