[André]

Hi,

I have been working a lot lately and have not been able to take any pictures. I will try to add the next smurf (injured) later today.

But I have a question for the ones of you who have a lot of hering and minimodels.

I have recieved many of these smurfs lately and when checking websites before I thought there were both minimodels and hering variations of many smurfs. But they seems to be the same mold.

I just took these 3 as an example but there are a lot more.

Eventhough they seems to be the same hard material as the marked minimodels and also same paint they are the Heringmolds with blocked markings.

So my question is which of the smurfs can you find with both minimodelsmarkings and Heringmarkings? I mean different markings for the same smurf?

You have probably talked about this before but I can´t go through all old threads!!

[André]

What I mean is this.

I am intrested in the Schleichhistory and minimodels and hering connection to Schleich.

If you take these papas as an example.

The Hering is a Schleichmold, but the other argentinian papas are just argentinian fakes and have nothing to do with Schleich. Do you see my point. Eventhough they off course are very nice fakes.

So are there any smurfs which Schleich sent molds to both Brazil and Argentina or not?

[Pitufo]

I love both argentinain and brazilian smurfs, but specially teh first ones...

Brazilian: 23 different molds used. All molds are mold of schleich except 20008 spy. Only 23 exist (exactly the holes you can see at brazilina house)

Argentinina: more than 23 and many many fakes. SO harder to know the real info.

This is the list of 23 brazilian smurfs. I have added aside with M (minimodels) or F (fake argentinian) the smurfs I know that do exist too as argentinian


2.0001 Papa F
2.0008 Spy
2.0009 drums F
2.0011 Laughing
2.0014 M, F
2.0015 Hear nothing
2.0023 Beat
2.0033 Clown M
2.0034 Smurfette F
2.0036 Flying
2.0040 Gift and flowers M
2.0041 wanderer M
2.0042 Cook M
2.0048 Fluit
2.0051 Bowling M
2.0054 First Aid
2.0058 Winner M
2.0060 Candle M
2.0062 Telephone M
2.0063 Tailor M
2.0122 Cowboy M
2.0137 Surfboard
2.0157 ANgry F

I should have a look at the dofferent threads to see what Tintin and Lia have added but I am a bit tired today..jajajaja. Anyway I think if I have forgotten some of them, someone will added

[André]

Thanks Joaquin,

you have marked tailor as both Hering and minimodels. But are there a minimodels mold tailor? I did not see any in the tailor thread?

Maybe I missed it?

[Pitufo]

André, perhaps you are right but I always have had doubts about that smurf: the smurf Lia showed at this thread as Brazil erased markings (red thing and black needle). Perhaps she is right and it is from Brazil, but all times I have seen thsi smurf is included at lots of argentinian smurfs and from sellers from Argentina. I know it is not too scientific but...

[André]

Joaquin,

I have both these.

The Hering tailor. Softer and with markings.

The harder tailor with erased markings. And as you say probably minimodels, almost certain the material is the same as the other. But it is still the same mold, right. Look at the markings.

So the question is which smurfsmolds were used for both countries. I don´t mean the Heringmolds used by Minimodels!

[Pitufo]

Perhaps I have misunderstood your question André!!I am not expert in molds. Let´s see the opinion of others

[André]

No problems Joaquin!!

You know your help is always appritiated. And it is probably not always easy to understand my research questions??

The thing I want to know is if Schleich sent molds to both Argentina and Brazil for the same smurf.

[Tintin]

Hi Andre

Nice topic............... but difficult question.
The smurfs both Hering and Minimodels ........ are ...... i think......

20001 Papa
20033 clown
20042 cook
20051 bowling
20058 with wreath
20062 with phone
20122 cowboy
20157 angry

not to many if you see how many minimodels there are........ so to say if those are coming from the same mold

Tintin

[André]

Thanks Frank,

Lia has showed us clown and chef with both Hering and minimodels markings.

But I am not sure about the rest. But you know me, pictures convince me!

[Tintin]

later Andre

[Lia]

My list is even shorter then tintin`s

( I don`t know a genuine minimodels papa)
20033 clown
20042 cook
20058 with wreath
20062 with phone
20122 cowboy
20157 grouchy ???? , I know it only as a argentina fake

about molds, apart from the argentina fakes, i think,they are all Schleich (hongkong) molds.I only have 2 hering hikers, that seem to be different molds.

about tailors and sunbathers: I stick to my opinion that all are Herings.

Lia

[André]

Thanks for the list,

if you check these ones.

All seems to be the heringmolds but also were used with the harder material and I agree with Joaquin that they seems to be the same as Minimodels material. For most of them I have both Brazilian variation and argentinian variation.

But I don´t have as many as you and can´t compare so much.

Do you think all Heringmolds were blocked and made with harder material ( maybe by minimodels in Argentina) also? Or maybe some of them find the way to argentina after Hering lost the license??

[Lia]

I really don`t know,but I simply think that the Herings were made in Brazil and the minimodels were made in Argentina. No doubt, a lot of Hering were sold and shipped to Argentina and it`s very likely that a few of them were painted as minimodels. However, I think, that they blocked the markings in Brazil, because Marcelo told us that when he was a child in the eighties, he had a lot of Heringsmurfs with blocked markings and all his childhood smurfs were bought in Brazil.

material: sometimes, but not often, there can be different material. I have, for instance, 3 Hering cooks and one of them is very soft ( right on picture)

[Lia]

I don`t have the minimodels bowler, doesit have markings?

Here is a picture of some fake argentina smurfs ( I have only the picture, not(yet) all these smurfs)

[Pitufo]

Here is a picture of some fake argentina smurfs ( I have only the picture, not(yet) all these smurfs)

I love the word YET at that sentence, Lia!!! It is important to think ONE DAY we won´t get the smurfs we dream with

By the way, the smurfette with whote face is NICE!!!

[Smurfysmurf]

I agree with Lia and don't think the Brazil markings were erased in Argentinia but were erased in Brazil. It wouldn't make sense to me if Minimodel went thru the trouble of erasing the markings but not putting their own markings on there.

It does make sense to me though that Hering lost the license very soon after producing the smurfs because Schleich was simply not satisfied with the quality of the Brazil Hering smurfs which is clearly not at the same standard as that of Schleich. When you compare the Herings to the Minimodels the quality of the Minimodels is superior (at least for me) so I believe they were able to hold on to the license for longer.

In regards to the material....I have a few smurfs with the Brazil markings and a few with the three strips and for me the material is exactly the same which is why I came to the conclusion a few years ago that these are the same smurfs and not the Minimodels as a lot of collectors back then thought they are.

I have the flower and gift with the Brazil markings and the three stripes...the material, mold and paint is exactly the same, so I don't think the markings were erased in Argentinia by Minimodel, but those were erased in Brazil by Brazil Hering

[André]

I agree,

The markings were probably blocked already in Brazil.

The smurfs I got from Brazil have both markings and blocked, and then also the material is softer.

But the ones with blocked markings from Argentina are à lot harder just like the Minimodels.

Lia I get back with the bowler later Lia, I have to work night soon and I am eating breakfast 01.00 in the night right now.

[Lia]

really? Ï`m eating a "late-night-snack"
no rush for the bowler!

( @ Joaquin, I would love to own that white face smurfette, but I never ever saw it again)

[André]

My list is even shorter then tintin`s

( I don`t know a genuine minimodels papa)
20033 clown
20042 cook
20051 bowling
20058 with wreath
20062 with phone
20122 cowboy
20157 grouchy ? , I know it only as a argentina fake

about molds, apart from the argentina fakes, i think,they are all Schleich (hongkong) molds.I only have 2 hering hikers, that seem to be different molds.

about tailors and sunbathers: I stick to my opinion that all are Herings.

Lia

I agree so faar with you Lia!

But I only have 2 grouchy argentinian smurfs.

As you know I try to see the connection between Schleich and the 2 southamerican companies Hering and Minimodels.

For example Papa and Grouchy molds from minimodels are smaller and definatly not molds they got from Schleich. Check pictures of some of the fakes. I put the Hering papa and grouchy beside them so you can compare.

On the other hand there seems to be unmarked minimodels which are molds they got from Schleich. See 2nd picture. Probably at the end before loosing the licence. These have the connection to Schleich.

So for me there are genuine Schleichmolds unmarked and marked. And then we have the fake molds.

I this thread I am trying to figure out about the schleichmolds, so unless anybody has a Papa and grouchy from Argentina which is a mold from Schleich, I consider them as Lia said as fakes. Lovely fakes but they have no connection to Schleich. See my point?