[smurfowen]

Whilst takeing a very close look at the poster i realist that there were two smurfs that dont ring a bell at all to me. Can anyone Andre, TinTin etc shed some light on these two.

[SMURFYSTEVE1]

I have never seen them I cant make out what the first one is doing but i love the second one smurf picking pettles of the flower. I wonder if mabe they were figures made similar to the xmas proto types but were never relised or sold? just my guess.

Im sure someone else will know lol
Smurfy regards
Steve

[Tintin]

Hi Owen

Well i know the poster, but don't know the smurfs either.
We have been talking about it in another topic.
There is one other smurf on the poster i don't know.
It looks like a combination of the 20024 and the 20095

Steve could be very well right, i think it's like the xmas prototypes.

Tintin

[smurfowen]

Hi Owen

Well i know the poster, but don't know the smurfs either.
We have been talking about it in another topic.
There is one other smurf on the poster i don't know.
It looks like a combination of the 20024 and the 20095

Steve could be very well right, i think it's like the xmas prototypes.

Tintin

is it this one?

[Tintin]

Hi Owen

Yes that's the one !!
Never seen him before either.................

Tintin

[lobo]

OMG!!!
three real prototypes more !!!
the first one seems to hold a shovel, doesn´t he?
I love the second one, anyone can sell me one of these, please?

[Cassiebsg]

Here's a challenge for you, Carlos and Steve... to make them.
Specially the flower one, he's just adorable!

[smurfowen]

Maureen maybe you should open a topic page called prototype smurf that never made it or maybe they did.

[lobo]

Did you read my mind, Cassie?
I was thinking about making the one with the flower...

[André]

Whilst takeing a very close look at the poster i realist that there were two smurfs that dont ring a bell at all to me. Can anyone Andre, TinTin etc shed some light on these two.

Hi Pierre,

I think I have told this before but here is the story.

This poster shows the smurfs Schleich had for sale in 1978, so it is the closest to a 1978 Schleich catalogue we have so faar.

In 1976 Hermann Schneider took over as second managing director. In 1977 Friedrich Schleich sold his shares of the company and retired. So from 1977 Schneider was the owner and SMD of the company.

One of the first things Schneider did was changed the logotype to the "red S inside a circle". This he did 1978.

So why is this intresting??? It is because you can see these on the smurfs also!! During 1978 they changed the logotype in the smurfmolds.

So therefore the ones shown on this poster from 1978 can be found with the running man emblem. But the molds made after this poster was made have the new logotype Schneider introduced to the company 1978.

The 3 smurfs not shown on the poster( only prototypes. Like in many catalogues and on many posters made later also, Schleich uses prototypes on the new releases if they don´t have the real ones ready when they take the pictures.), these were never sold or made like this.
The intresting thing with these is that 20043( digger), 20044( lover) and 20048( flute) was made after they stopped with the "running man"-emblem. All the other ones of the 48 normal smurfs sold this year were made before and have the emblem( or corrected: don´t have the "S inside circle").

One intresting thing to add is that when Schleich made their first smurfs in Hongkong for the US market they still used the emblem. These smurfs were sold in US 1979 and then the molds must then have been made early 1978, otherwise they would have the new logo instead, right!!

[André]

Here are the other smurfitems Schleich had for sale 1978. The last ones made with the emblem. The accessories and houses are also like this. Before this poster the parts had the old emblem. After the poster the new logotype.

Notice also the new logotype( red S inside circle) on the poster to the left on the supersmurf-picture.

So this year they used this logotype but as you all know they molds are made a while before it is possible to take pictures of them.

Maybe this poster was the first one made with the new logotype???

[smurfowen]

This poster shows the smurfs Schleich had for sale in 1978, so it is the closest to a 1978 Schleich catalogue we have so faar.

The 3 smurfs not shown on the poster (only prototypes. Like in many catalogues and on many posters made later also, Schleich uses prototypes on the new releases if they don´t have the real ones ready when they take the pictures.), these were never sold or made like this./quote]

So here is a controdiction in the history. First its stated that the smurfs on the poster were for sale in 1978, then its said that they were not sold. I'M CONFUSED!!!!!

If they were made just for the poster ( I can understand this) then what happend to them?

I love misteries like this. and misteries there are quite a few it seems when it comes to the smurfs.

Thank you for the other history Andre

[smurfowen]

Another miSTORY from another poster it seems. Is the airoplane smurf.

[André]

This poster shows the smurfs Schleich had for sale in 1978, so it is the closest to a 1978 Schleich catalogue we have so faar.

The 3 smurfs not shown on the poster (only prototypes. Like in many catalogues and on many posters made later also, Schleich uses prototypes on the new releases if they don´t have the real ones ready when they take the pictures.), these were never sold or made like this./quote]

So here is a controdiction in the history. First its stated that the smurfs on the poster were for sale in 1978, then its said that they were not sold. I'M CONFUSED!!!!!

If they were made just for the poster ( I can understand this) then what happend to them?

I love misteries like this. and misteries there are quite a few it seems when it comes to the smurfs.

Thank you for the other history Andre

OK Pierre!

I put it like this instead. The smurfs mentioned on the poster was for sale in 1978, but not all the ones pictured. Because as usual the pictures for posters and catalogues are made several months before distributing them.

A perfect example from today are the centuryboxes. When they took the pictures for the catalogues they used the older mold of both angry and spy. And this was most likely done because the smurfs to be used in the sets were not made yet, right?

Sometimes they use drawings of the new smurfs also like in the catalogues from 1987, 88 or 89 I think??

[Smurfysmurf]

Another (later) example is the Hawaian smurfette. The one that Schleich first pictured is quite different to the one they eventually sold.

My guess is that this happened quite frequently. Maybe by the time they went to mass producing the molds, they realized they had to change the mold a bit due to different reasons. (the original mold might have become too expensive) I've heard that the first Hawaian smurfette was too sexy for Peyo and Schleich had to change the mold to make her more "smurf" like

[Gerda]

I have this poster and stare at it often and noticed that on these prototype smurfs that there are some parts that are not painted and it looks grey like a clay material of sorts, so I think prototype is the right way to describe them, like they knew they where going to have a flower smurf but did not have the right design down when they made the poster. Wish the pictures I took would show it but it is a pin prick of a spot and hard to photograph

[André]

I agree with you Gerda,

the smurfs looks a bit strange and not like smurfs ready to be sold.

Thanks also for sharing pictures of this poster.

This poster from 1978, together with the Bully posters, are very intresting and tells us a lot about the history.

When Schneider was in charge and started the changes in 1977, we also see that this year was the year they changed the looks on the smurfs to the larger faces. The smurfs made directly after the "smurf-break" between 1973 and 1975, looks like the older molds( 20023-20032 and 20047). I guess either these were made before the break in 1973 or made before 1977 but after the break. These smurfs can be found with the emblem or without the printed Schleich S logo.

First I thought this could have something to do with Bully selling for example the thinking and sitting smurfs. But the first ones were the ones without printed Schleich and later they added Schleich to the mold because of the new logo. Same with Gardener, torchbearer etc.

So when Schneider started making these changes and they made the new looks on the smurfs in the HK molds they still kept the older looks on many of the smurfs. But this is not really so strange since they still kept the old smurfs made before 1973 in production and only made changes on a few of them.

But regarding the supers shown on this poster only 40201 to 40203 can be found without printed Schleich, I think?? 40204 and 40205 and Gargamel were probably made last of the ones on the poster and got the Schleich S marking??

Regarding Bully:
I know there is a poster with the Bullysmurfs from 1979 but I guess it can be hard to find. When we have that one we can be pretty sure which years almost all smurfs were sold. I will post a picture of the folded poster later.

[Tintin]

Hi

Here a picture from another testversion.
Not sure if this one came from the same poster............

Tintin

[smurfowen]

Hi Tintin
Different poster, but another great one!

[André]

Hi

Here a picture from another testversion.
Not sure if this one came from the same poster............

Tintin

Hi Frank,

another nice variation they made for the year when the airplane was sold.

I have this poster and it was made for the smurfs sold 1982.

I think it was just like on Gerdas poster from 1978, they did not have the airplane ready for the time they made this poster so they made a variation just for this picture.