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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:02 am
Hi everyone,

I have written down notes what I found out about the Dupuis smurfs. This is mainly old information but I wanted to check this with you if it seems correct. I will add this to my website later with pictures from the Dupuis and some comics. Since the Dupuis is very very connected to the comics and therefore the comics from these years are important.

For me it is very simple. Dupuis was only intrested in making comics and ONLY was intrested in making figurines to promote there comics. Most likely never sold as toys without the close connection to a comic sold or shown in some way.

If you have pictures of these smurfs I can use together with this information I would be thankful. :D I only have a few Dupuis-related smurfs myself so far. :(

Here´s the information. Check if it seems correct:

"The first time the smurfs appeared were in the Johan and Pewitt strip, started from 8th of May 1958 in the Spirou magazine. The story “The Flute with six holes” continued in the magazine for several months and in 23rd of October they introduced themselves( pictured).
In 2nd of July 1959 the first smurf story appeared as a “mini-recit” in Spirou magazine. The story was “The black smurfs”( Les Schtroumpfs noirs). And in 10th of December Gargamel appeared in “Le voleur de Schtroumpfs” in the second story about the smurfs also as a mini-recit in the Spirou magazine 1959.
Dupuis was the editor for these comics and that is also why the first smurf figurines made, were made for Dupuis to be used as promotional figurines where these comics were sold. Dupuis did this a lot in the 60s, merchandising of its comics. So Dupuis was not interested in making any toys as said in the book about Peyo, they only had these made to promote their comics. So I believe all smurfs marked Dupuis or made for Dupuis were only used or sold together with the comic in some way.
So Dupuis had these figurines made according to Blue buddies and Kittys cavern.

2” figurines:

Pewitt, 1958
Papa smurf, 1959
Normal smurf, 1959
Angry smurf, 1959
Johan, 1963

6” figurines:

Normal smurf, 1964
Papa smurf, 1965
Angry smurf, 1965
King smurf, 1966

2” keychain figurines:

Papa smurf, 1966
Normal smurf, 1966
Angry smurf, 1966
Prisoner smurf, 1966
Gold smurf, 1966

1-foot figurine:
Normal smurf, 1965

In around 1974/75 the smurfs with the marking Peyo & Ed. Dupuis-union were made. These smurfs seems to have been used mainly in Belgium. So for me I am pretty sure the marking means like this: Peyo( creator of the smurfs) & Ed. Dupuis ( editor of the comics, Editions Dupuis SA in Belgium) had these figurines made together. And most certainly these then were given away or sold together with a comic in some way. This also explains why Peyo asked Dupuis if he wanted to be part of making figurines as toys, and got the answer that they were only interested in making comics. This was during the time Bully made smurf-figurines, according to the Peyo book. And since Naughty is a mold made by Bully in around 1973/74, it goes very well with the fact that these figurines were most likely the last figurines made that Dupuis had anything to do with. The peyo book also tells us that Dupuis was involved in the figurines used as promotional items given away with the Kelloggs cornflakes. This also makes sence since the boxes always had a comicstrip on the back. So most likely these boxes contained Dupuis-smurfs in some way.
I believe these are licenced smurfs but later also used with erased markings unlicensed.

Peyo & Ed. Dupuis-union figurines:

Papa smurf
Drummer
Judge
Vanity
Smurfette
Naughty
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:07 am
That seems all correct André! :D

another mysterie that remains are the orange dupuis union smurfs, unmarked :-?

Lia

Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:40 am
Yes Lia,

But those are always with erased markings right?

I think it could have been like the Herings. These molds in some way found the way to somebody who made these unlicensed. Because of the material and paintjob I am pretty sure these were not made by Bully. I think they look like some kind of kinderegg-company made them?? :-? :lol: And the company who made these must have sold or used them themselves unlicensed with blocked markings later??

Do you think the orange has anything to do with Holland??
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:49 am
yes André, blocked markings!

and certainly not made by Bully

I like the idea that they could be Dutch, but I fear they have nothing to do with Holland 8-)
( in 1975, there was not so much "orange-madness" as nowadays)

Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:59 am
I thought so too.

My guess is as simple as this.

the reason for blocking the marking is that they were not allowed to make smurfs anymore. So changing the colours could actually just be a way to still using the molds but making them not look like smurfs anymore?? :-? :lol:

Probably were not allowed to use them anyway! That is the only reason I can think of regarding the orange colour. If they wanted to make fake smurfs I see no reason in painting them orange?? :o :D

Just a guess though. :banghead:

Otherwise regarding colours I am pretty sure Schleich, Bully and peyo were very strict and wanted to use correct colours all the time. I don´t think so many colourvraiations were sold by Schleich except in promo-cases and some other smaller changes.
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:59 am
Lia,

how would you translate this:

Tu pourras aussi y echanger les bons schtroumpf des boites Kellogg´s
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:12 am
I would translate it like:

You can also ....... exchange the good smurfs from the Kelloggs boxes.

( probably it`s schtroumpfs?)

the little word "y" means there, from it, in it, with it. etc

Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:36 am
Yes, Should be Schtroumpfs.

I assume they mean you could exchange if you got a smurf you already had for another one??? :-?

There should be films also from 1966 kelloggs???? :-? :D
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:48 am
Must be "Les Aventures des Schtroumpfs" made 1965 in Belgium???

How about this Lia:

Viens voir les films Schtroumpf aux super-marches.

Does this mean you could see the film in the supermarkets?

Or maybe it was a promotionpicture??
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:03 am
I think, you took the text below the Kellogs add, right?
Now I can place that sentence in the right context! :D
The word "y " refers to the supermarket!
So...you could go there, and exchange your smurfs!
And watch the film there too ( in my opinion!) I know that sounds weird, but that is what it says.
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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:04 am
Correct Lia,

I tried to read it but it was hard to see all the letters. :lol:

The first film was made in Belgium 1965 with famous radiovoices.

And these ads were only in the Belgium issues of Journal de Tintin. So maybe you could watch the film in the supermarket as part of the promotion. And also exchange smurfs you wanted??

As you see it looks like a film frame in the beginning, right! :D
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:14 am
it absolutely does!

( and when we have promotion items in our super markets,like the smurfs,football stickers, what ever, they organize at the end one afternoon ( usually wednesdayafternoon when the children don`t have to go to school) where the children can come to the shop and trade / exchange their items, so nothing has changed :D )

Postby Smurfysmurf » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:56 am
Correct Lia,

I tried to read it but it was hard to see all the letters. :lol:

The first film was made in Belgium 1965 with famous radiovoices.

And these ads were only in the Belgium issues of Journal de Tintin. So maybe you could watch the film in the supermarket as part of the promotion. And also exchange smurfs you wanted??

As you see it looks like a film frame in the beginning, right! :D
You could watch a movie in the supermarket :scratchinghead:

Would that have been a Belgium thing in the 60s? Because you couldn't do that in the supermarkets in Germany in the 70s (wasn't around in the 60s. :o .

I know that book and toy stores have a corner for kids to watch a feature movie and can see the kids trade their collectibles..but in the supermarket? :-?
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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:03 am
Maureen,

it was not a movie. It was 5 short black-and white stories, that is why they write films.

"The film consisted of five black-and-white shorts made in the previous years for broadcasting on Walloon TV:

1 Le voleur de Schtroumpfs. (The thief of smurfs) A careless Smurf is caught by the evil wizard Gargamel.

2 L'oeuf et les Schtroumpfs. (The egg and the smurfs) The Smurfs discover a magic egg.

3 Les Schtroumpfs noirs. (the black smurfs) A contagious disease terrorizes the village.

4 Le Schtroumpf et son dragon. (the smurfs and the dragon) The Smurfs befriend a domesticated dragon.

5 Le Schtroumpf volant. (the flying smurf) One of the Smurfs attempts to fly like a bird.
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:04 am
8-)
I never saw it in Holland either Maureen, but perhaps the Belgian supermarkets were very modern and trendy? Perhaps Christy`s mum knows this?

Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:15 am
But I agree with you Maureen, that it seems early for films.

I was born in 1966 almost the same years. One of the things I remember most was the popeye, mickey mouse etc black and white shorts we watched on our small filmprojector. On this projector we watched films taken when I was a baby meaning taken in the late 60s. :-D So it is possible they showed them. But I was not born then so I don´t know?? These ads are from a few months before I was born. :lol:

How would you interpret what they write about films?? :-?
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:27 am
off course they could mean a promotionfilm for the supermarket about the smurfs??

One thing I don´t understand though is: How can they write just supermarket in a ad like this. The magazine must have been sold in many places. How would you know in what supermarket you could go to exchange the smurfs? Strange?

Must be more information in the magazine???
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:31 am
Lia,

what does the last thing mean:

Les projections sont signalees par des annonces et des affichettes.

If I read all the letters correct?? :lol:
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:50 am
all letters are correct! :)

it means that the presentations/ the shows were announced by advertisements and small posters.

Postby Tintin » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:53 am
Hi Andre

Why don't you use this ......................

http://translate.google.com/#

Not perfect but good enough for me.................... :-D

Tintin
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