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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:24 am
I have a hiker with orange jacket and a yellow dot with the same old markings, but I think the yellow jacket is the correct one.

Regarding the shiver I will use the shiver with yellow scarf. I have a few with yellow scarfs and no dots also. Don´t know if it was sold with yellow scarf outside UK?? :-?
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:58 am
I have 3 different markings and yellow dot hanggliders.
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:00 am
The correct one used in early 1979 should only have schleichemblem, w germany and Peyo markings.

the ones with yearmarking or the one with portugal markings were made later.
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:53 am
Rocker and Drummer.

Drummer with removed emblem and rocker with emblem and only w germany and peyo.
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:55 am
Ice hockey. Only peyo and W Germany
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:00 am
Super sleigh smurf with yellow scarf. It is possible to see on the shopdisplay that they used the yellow scarf sleigh smurf. :D
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:03 am
It is also possible to see on the old displayphoto that they used the yellow shirt striker. But my guess is that both could have been sold in the beginning before National started with the other paintvariations of the soccersmurf. :cheers:

Peyo and W germany on butt. :D
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:08 am
The super sweep smurf is also shown on the picture with yellow scarf, so that was also possible in 1979 and that is the one I will use. :D

Both red and yellow scarf can be found with the early markingvariation without the yearmarking and yellow dot.
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

_________________________________________

Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:11 am
The clown with yellow dot and old emblemmarking without year is also among the smurfs I also have found in lots from Australia. :D
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

_________________________________________

Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:17 am
The super racing smurf and the super smurf boarder.

On the picture we can see that in 1979 the smurf boarder have a red shirt. :cheers:
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

_________________________________________

Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:23 am
The postmansmurf was most likely changed to the christmas variation closer to christmas. But in march 1979 the heart envelope was used.

A funny thing regarding this is that it seems the brown paint on the bag was miscoloured on the yellowdot postman with envelope. I have maybe 4 of each and the ones with the heart are always miscoloured and the ones with the christmas envelope is never miscoloured! :-? All with yellow dots.
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

_________________________________________

Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:28 am
Last picture.

Emblem markings on gift, singer and hammer.

No year marking on any of them.

Another intersting thing is that the thinker and singer alwas have the more brighter yellow dot?? :-?
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André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

_________________________________________

Postby André » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:36 am
I don´t have the correct skiing smurf with the yellow dot. But the marking is the same as the early skiing supers without yearmarking and only w germany and peyo.

The interesting thing in this case is that all these smurfs are without yearmarking and also many times without Schleichmarkings. This was because in 1976/77 when Schleich started making smurfs again they only made them for Peyo to be used in promotions for BP and not to be sold in toystores. But in 1978/79 when Peyo saw the potential and wanted Schleich to make them worldwide Schleich also started adding the companyname on all their smurfs. :D And also added the years in the molds in around 1979/1980.

If you see anything that seems to be wrong on the pictures or if you want to add something please let me know. :cheers:
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby The Smurf Collector » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:46 pm
Wow !!!! Your depth of knowledge is amazing. You mentioned that certain smurfs had different names and I can recall Gymnast (20020) being known as Hefty and Rocker (20023) as Gutarist. It appears that I have some homework to do.

Best Regards
Kath
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Postby Lia » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:14 am
Great to read all this information and very very nice to see the pictures with the markings! :D

Lia

Postby Tommo » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:02 pm
Hi Andre,

I was just wondering when certain colour variations would have been released in the UK? The smurfs which my dad got around that time are different from a few that you have listed. I suppose that you are going by the poster though? Here are a few:

2.0006. Brainy with red glasses
2.0024: Lantern with red lantern
2.0031: Postman with holly on letter
2.0035: Soccer with red ball, orange shirt
2.0036: Hangglider with painted patches on wings
2.0041: Hiker with yellow flower

I'm thinking that my dad must have got most of the smurfs between 1978 and 1981 with a couple from 1982. Do you think with some of the colour variations that they only did them for a very short while in each country? For example, would the hiker only have had the yellow flower for 1978 and then a change of colour to red in 1979? Same with the Hangglider: patches painted in 1978, unpainted 1979? I was thinking about the lantern smurf (2.0024) which was released in 1977?, the reason I have the red version from my childhood is because my dad got the later colour variation release (red) in 1978 onwards, and not the original yellow one from when it was first released in 1977?

:-?

I've got the skier with the yellow dot from that time too.

Postby André » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:17 pm
Thanks Kath and Lia! :cheers: And your help is always needed and that is how I learn. By asking questions. :D

Great questions Tommo, :cheers:

I think you basicly is 100% correct Tommo.

Because many of the variations you talk about are first variations.

So my guesses are these:

Schleich started painting the glasses red in around 1977/78. So red glasses were used before the yellow glasses. And it could very well be a fact that the early smurfs sold in the UK, meaning pre- the lead paint scandal ending in october 1978, were red glasses and red latern. Both those variations were used then. And I have not seen a yellow latern without dot.

According to the BP information the history was like this. The pilot was run in the London area at some stations in january 1978( meant to be started earlier in November 1977, but changed). Then only 2 figurines were used.

The advertising then started in May 1978 with permission of Peyo. At that time no dots were used and most likely the same variations as the german ones were used. :-? In August 1978 90% of the National stations used smurf figurines in their promotions.

In 1979 new special edition smurfs were produced every month. For example the valentine smurf in febuary. According to the poster ( postman called valentine) that must have been the postman with the heart on the envelope. Most likely the Christmas variation was made in december?? :-? :D

So again my guesses:

20006 and 20024: red latern and red glasses were probably used early also in the UK. But the reason I choose the yellow variations are that those were made for BP to use in the National campaign and existed around March 1979. :-? :-D

20031: Probably made for the UK market in december 1979?? Could have been december 1978 also but I don´t think so. The Holly variation could later also have been used in other countries but seems to always have been painted in Portugal.

20035: Soccer or Striker. I am sure both variations were sold already in 1978 and most likely both variations were sold in the Uk also. But it is possible to see on the picture from the BP archive that a yellow shirt striker with a white ball is shown on that display so I would go for that in this case.

20036: I am sure the Hangglider with the painted patches was the first variation made and there is a possibility that the first variation was sold also in the UK in the beginning. But It was painted like that for such a short time that I don´t think a yellow dot variation of that one exist. Meaning that variation is pre october 1978 and is not the correct one to use on the display. :D

20041 Hiker with the yellow flower is also a early variation used before the dots started. So the same answer in that case. A UK-display from 1979 should not have this variation :-? :D

Basicly I think all smurfs sold after the lead paint scandal should have a dot, unless some old ones were still in stock.

Another thing regarding the Striker or Soccer. When do you think they started with the world team colours? I have one with white shirt and black short from my childhood, so I am 100% sure those also were sold outside the UK. I must have got that one around 1978/79??

I would guess that National started selling those in 1979?? Or what do you think? :-?

But when thinking of it I could have been checking those before in another thread?? :lol: I think some of the colours were earlier variations and some were variations added later around 1980 and got the yearmarking?? :lol:
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby André » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:22 pm
Which other special variation would you collectors say are UK ones??

Rugby teams except the South Africa-variations and the french and new zealand-variations?? :-?

Yellow shirt skate boarder?

White pants police?

Other ??? :cheers: :?
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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Postby Lia » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:41 pm
I can only think of the torchbearer with UK emblem :-?
( don`t know if the kicker with brown ball is a UK variation?)

Lia

Postby André » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:55 pm
Yes Lia,

I forgot the uk torch. That one is also pictured in the BP archives and made for the oilympics stadium in 1980.c :cheers:
André

In Sweden the smurfs are blue ( and yellow).

Website: The collectors guide to the smurfs ( under construction) : http://thecursedcountry.com/

Smurfy blog: http://smurfblog.thecursedcountry.com/

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