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Postby Pete » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:06 pm
Hi, I'm reviewing my research re: the Smurfs with World Flags AKA 1982 World Cup Soccer Set. Can anyone tell me if they have a different understanding of this set?

24 Countries played in the 1982 World Cup in Spain; Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Camaroon, Chile, Czechoslovakia, El Salvador, England, France, Germany, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, New Zealand, Northern Ireland, PerU, Poland, Scotland, Spain, U.S.S.R and Yugoslavia.

Their flags account for 24 of the 29 signs found in a full set.

3 more of the signs depict the flags of the Spanish provinces of Andalucia, Euskadi and Catalunya. As per user Tessa-Dennis, these provinces were home to the stadiums where the semi-finals and finals took place.

Another flag reads "I (heart) CDC." As per Tessa-Dennis, the CDC was a sponsor of the set. CDC stands for "Convergència Democràtica de Catalunya."

One of my dealers told me "They are very strong in the area from Barcelona (65-80%). They are a political party and they are very national and more for their religion (Catalunya) than for Spain."

Tessa-Dennis said "The one flag of Catalunya and of the other 2 [Euskadi & Andalucia] are probably of the areas they are very big in as a political party."

The last flag sold with this set is the British flag. Why this flag is part of the set is a bit of a mystery. Tessa-Dennis suggests it could be historical; "Great Britain is seen as the birthplace of present day soccer and the league was founded in 1888. The name soccer was first mentioned in Oxfor (sp?) in the early 1880's so it might be that the flag stands for 100 years of modern soccer. (This is just a theory.)

I'm pretty sure these were sold with one of 3 Signholder Smurf-a-Grams.

The first is on a red base reading "EUSKADI zuretzat" and he is holding the Euskadi flag. The second is on a yellow base reading "D'una estade a CATALUNYA" and is holding the Catalunya flag. The last is on a Green base reading "Recuerdo de ANDALUCIA" and is holding the Catalunya flag.

Does anyone know what these Grams say in English? That might help determine if they go with this flag set?

When I first started up, Suzanne Lipschitz of the SCCI sold me a supply of all 3 of these Grams mint in bags. I never did find out their history from her though...Only when I was offered the Soccer Set did I come to think they were part of it. A dealer sent me one with a World Cup flag set, but I never understood if he went with it, or if he was just sending along any signholder Smurf he had to go with the set. But the fact that they match the three provinces hosting the games, that makes me think they go together.

CDC aparently also distributed the "I (heart) CDC" sign as part of a political party set too. This set consists of 4 signs reading "JO (heart) CDC," "SOM UNA NACIO," "CONVERGENCIA UNIO Molts i ben avinguts," and "JO (frankfurter) LA LOAPA."

These also date to 1982. A dealer who sold them to me called them "Convention party flags" and said "they show their opinions about new laws from the Spain government." Can anyone translate these into English?

Thanks again, you guys really did a lot to get me to this point :)
-Pete
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Postby Fram » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:29 am
3 more of the signs depict the flags of the Spanish provinces of Andalucia, Euskadi and Catalunya. As per user Tessa-Dennis, these provinces were home to the stadiums where the semi-finals and finals took place.
Semi-finals: Barcelona (Catalunya) and Sevilla (Andalusia).
Final: Madrid: province is Madrid, not Euskadi.

Euskadi is the Basque region. I have no idea why they were included and Madrid wasn't...
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Postby Rachel » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:18 am
Hi Pete, great info there from both you and Dennis, Thanks. :-D

I do have the set but I am afraid I know very little about them. I am trying to think why the British flag would be included because even if it was because of an anniversary, England is the home of soccer rather than Britain. I don't think I will be able to add to what you have posted so far but I will certainly ask a few epople who at least may be able to help with the soccer bit of it. :D
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Postby Pete » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:02 pm
OK, here's my latest blurb on this set:

1982 World Cup Soccer Set

24 Countries played in the 1982 World Cup in Spain; Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Camaroon, Chile, Czechoslovakia, El Salvador, England, France, Germany, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, New Zealand, Northern Ireland, Peru, Poland, Scotland, Spain, U.S.S.R and Yugoslavia.

Their flags account for 24 of the 29 signs found in the full set.

3 more of the signs depict the flags of the Spanish provinces of Andalucia, Euskadi and Catalunya. Semi-finals took place in Barcelona (Catalunya) and Sevilla (Andalucia), which may explain these flags, but the final took place in the province of Madrid, not Euskadi. It is not known why the Euskaidi flag is included in this set.

Another sign sold with this set is the British flag. Why this flag is part of the set is also a mystery.

The last sign reads "Jo (heart) CDC." CDC stands for "Convergència Democràtica de Catalunya." They are a political party in Spain. It has been reported that the CDC was a sponsor for this set. It has been said that they are popular in Catalunya, Andalucia, and Euskadi - another possible explanation for these flags.

The flags are generally sold without Smurfs, although it has been reported that these were sold with one of three 40208 Sign Bearer Smurf-a-Grams.

The first is on a red base reading "EUSKADI zuretzat" and he is holding the Euskadi flag. The second is on a yellow base reading "D'una estade a CATALUNYA" and is holding the Catalunya flag. The last is on a Green base reading "Recuerdo de ANDALUCIA" and is holding the Catalunya flag.

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I'd really like to get the Grams translated - I guess they'd be in Spanish. Didn't do that yet though...

I print these litttle blurbs up on small cards I display with the Smurfs, like my own nerdy little Smurf museum :)
-Pete
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Postby XoioX2000 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:04 am
3 more of the signs depict the flags of the Spanish provinces of Andalucia, Euskadi and Catalunya. As per user Tessa-Dennis, these provinces were home to the stadiums where the semi-finals and finals took place.
Semi-finals: Barcelona (Catalunya) and Sevilla (Andalusia).
Final: Madrid: province is Madrid, not Euskadi.

Euskadi is the Basque region. I have no idea why they were included and Madrid wasn't...
Maybe to be politically correct? as these are 3 very proud regions of Spain... dunno
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Postby XoioX2000 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:17 am
Pete,

Unfortunatly Spanish will not yield much results as these 3 areas have their own language (as well as Spanish) I believe.

I found an interesting page about the Euskadi (Basque) flag:

http://www.lehendakaritza.ejgv.euskadi. ... los_i.html
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Postby Pete » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:17 am
That would explain why I'm getting no where with translating these! Well, if anyone can help, Smurf enthusiasts the world over will thank you (Well, not really sure if anyone gives m uch of a hoot other than me, but it can't hurt to think it will :) )
-Pete
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Postby steveparkes » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:03 am
Thats the page I found when I was finding the country flags for my website David :D
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Postby Syd Smurf » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:27 pm
I added the flag set to my website but I was unsure about some of the flags there. I will add the link but can someone please tell me what the names are of the flags that I have question marks for as that would make the page look a lot better than having :-? throughout the list.

http://www.geocities.com/sgtpapas/zvar4 ... earer.html

Please :?

Dyar

Postby Fram » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:20 am
Left one is Catalunya, right one is Euskadi
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Postby steveparkes » Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:45 am
You have the one I am missing..need to get that..I'd got basque as mine Fram
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Postby Fram » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:01 am
Euskadi and Basque are the same (Euskadi is their own name).
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Postby steveparkes » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:37 am
Ah right..cheers Fram..I'll update my webpage then :D
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Postby Syd Smurf » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:18 am
Thank you Fram. I am pretty good with geography and the flags of different countries but the Spanish regional ones had me stumped and I couldn't find them on the net......thanks again.

Dyar
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